The Norman Finkelstein fallacy: I'm done arguing with the Self-Hating Jew.

A special thank you to Alan Dershowitz, Jonathan Tobin, Thane Rosenbaum, and others who have helped me to debunk this self hating Jew.

I was warned. I was advised against it— do not give this man a platform. Do not sit across from Norman Finkelstein and lend him the credibility of your microphone. You are making a mistake.

I listened. And I went ahead and did it anyway. I am curious what you think.

Here’s why I interviewed the self-hating Jew- Norm Finkelstein:

He already has a platform

Norman Finkelstein already has a platform. He has millions of views. He has Candace Owens. He has a growing audience of young people on social media who have never opened a history book but who will watch a seventy-two-year-old man with a sharp tongue tell them that Israel is a genocidal Nazi regime — and they will believe him. He doesn’t need me to give him a platform. He already has one.

What he doesn’t have is someone willing to push back.

What he doesn’t have — what none of these anti-Israel propagandists have — is someone sitting across from them willing to push back. Willing to fact-check in real time. Willing to say: you’re wrong, and here’s why. That is what’s missing. And that is what I set out to do.

I have to tell you — I needed to take a rest after this one. I came home and I couldn’t speak to anybody. I was exhausted, upset, and I felt defeated. Finkelstein is a talented debater who uses bullying tactics, and at some point the interview left me rattled. I told my team: this guy’s good. And I feel like I didn’t do a great job.

Sometimes you need a little help from your friends- and its okay to ask. I’m glad I did. Enter Tobin, Dershowitz, Rosenbaum, and others

We took excerpts of Finkelstein’s claims from our two-hour interview and brought them to some of the most qualified voices — their reactions have been edited into this episode as commentary.

If you have followed my journey on The Unfiltered View, you know this is not the first time I have sat with someone whose views I find reprehensible. I interviewed Aaron Maté. I interviewed Richard Falk. I interviewed Avrum Burg. Each conversation left me rattled. As it should.

When I spoke with Alan Dershowitz about this project — about my decision to interview these Jewish anti-Israel propagandists — he told me this:

“They’re not our own people. These are people who are Jewish primarily on their parents’ side. Most of them have no identification with Jewish institutions, with Israel, with Jewish values. They just happen to have been born to a Jewish mother or a Jewish father. They don’t care about the Jewish people. They don’t care about Israel. But the enemies of Israel use them, exploit them because they always start their statements by saying as a Jew.”

Dershowitz didn’t mince words about Finkelstein either: “He’s a fraud. He’s a phony. He’s not an academic. He was fired essentially from every institution he ever worked in based on his lack of scholarship. I’ve read everything he’s written. There’s not an original word in anything he’s written.” But Dershowitz also understood why exposure matters. The marketplace of ideas, he said, should be open to everybody — and there should be an opportunity to debunk the falsehoods.

And so I sat with Finkelstein. And what I got was worse than I expected.

As Dershowitz put it: "We have a deep, deep problem in the Jewish community among self-hating Jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein. These are people who have turned against Jewish values and are trying to say, we're not antisemitic because we're Jews. But you're self-hating Jews. You're anti-Israel Jews. And that's even worse. We have to fight back and we have to clean our own stables."

"We have to fight back and we have to clean our own stables." — Alan Dershowitz

Jonathan Tobin, editor-in-chief of JNS — one of the sharpest journalists covering Jewish affairs — takes “a pretty dim view” of Finkelstein and all anti-Zionists, calling them subscribers to “an ideology and really a sort of secular faith that basically denies Jewish peoplehood, denies Jewish rights.” These are people, Tobin warned, whose “goal is to tear down not merely what we hold sacred, but to undermine the entire edifice of Jewish peoplehood and of Jewish rights. I think our response to them must be a strong no.”

Thane Rosenbaum — Distinguished University Professor at Touro University, legal analyst for CBS News Radio, a child of Holocaust survivors himself, and author of Beyond Proportionality: Israel’s Just War in Gaza — made clear that he would never appear on the same stage as Finkelstein. Not because he fears the debate, but because he refuses to elevate a man he considers beneath legitimacy. “I just don’t believe he’s a legitimate academic in any way,” Rosenbaum said. “He is clearly self-loathing. He is hardly qualified to speak on nearly any subject. And I don’t know any intelligent person that takes him seriously.”

But Rosenbaum also explained precisely why Finkelstein is dangerous: “I understand what makes him popular. He provides a lovely cover for natural antisemites that say, it’s not just me — it’s this Jewish ‘academic’ who also hates Jews. He’s a child of Holocaust survivors and he hates Israel. He must know something. And so we have to give him a platform because it gives us more leverage on the legitimacy of what we have to say.”

That is his utility. That is why he gets platformed. And that is precisely why he must be debunked.

Let me tell you what happened in our studio:

I asked Finkelstein straightforward questions. About democracy. About God. About his political beliefs. And when we got into it — when we got into the facts of October 7th, the reality of what Hamas did, the truth about Israel’s right to defend itself — he unraveled.

Finkelstein accused me of being worse than the Nazis!

He told me that when Hamas breached the border on October 7th — when they invaded a sovereign nation and slaughtered 1,200 people at a music festival, in kibbutzim, in their homes — he was “euphoric.” His word. Euphoric. He compared Hamas to the slave rebellions of Nat Turner. As if Jews owned the land of Gaza and had put Palestinians in chains. As if an enslaved people could build 350 miles of underground tunnels and manufacture rockets. If it was truly an open-air prison, it was one that didn’t work — because they somehow built an underground military city beneath it.

He denied the rapes of October 7th. He looked at me and said there is no medical or forensic evidence of sexual violence. None. Zero.

“Was Norman Finkelstein actually there?” Rosenbaum asked. “Did he actually see the evidence? Has he been to the exhibit on the Nova Festival and seen the blood on the crotch of the panties and gym shorts of the girls? Did he see the pelvises with machine gun fire blown into them?” Rosenbaum pointed to the captured terrorists on video admitting their crimes — saying they raped, and their fathers raped after them. The perpetrators themselves admitted to what they did. “And so Finkelstein is telling your audience that he has evidence that it never happened,” Rosenbaum said. “And yet people who did the raping are telling you they did it. And Finkelstein is saying, oh, you didn’t rape — because you raped a Jew. And if you raped a Jewish girl, it doesn’t count.”

When Finkelstein invoked “international law” to make his case — as he does endlessly, without ever citing a specific statute — Professor Eugene Kontorovich, a constitutional and international law scholar at George Mason University and the Kohelet Policy Forum, dismantled the claim expertly. Kontorovich explained that Israel acts meticulously within the bounds of international law — and that the civilian-to-combatant ratio in Gaza looks favourable compared to urban warfare fought by the United States and its allies in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The death of civilians is a tragedy, Kontorovich noted, but it is not necessarily a war crime — particularly when Hamas deliberately shelters its military infrastructure behind civilians, making their deaths both the legal and moral responsibility of Hamas.

And when Finkelstein called Gaza a “concentration camp,” Jonathan Tobin called the claim absurd. Before October 7th, Gaza was “an independent Palestinian state in all but name — a Hamas terrorist state.” Israel withdrew every soldier and settler in 2005. The Palestinians could have built Singapore on the Mediterranean. Instead they built tunnels and rockets. “The conditions of the Palestinians are because of the choices of the Palestinians,” Tobin said. “They’ve gotten billions and billions of foreign aid. Instead of spending it on bettering the lives of their people, they spent it on preparing for and waging war on Israel.”

I asked Finkelstein — as an interview finish — what his constructive advice would be for the future, for peace, for humanity; his answer? “Israel needs to be denazified.”

That is who Norman Finkelstein is. That is what he believes. He is unhinged, indecent, and a self-hating Jew. And millions of people are listening to him.

This is what we are up against in a world gone MAD. The strategy of people like Finkelstein, as Rosenbaum observed, is always the same: take the worst things that have ever happened to Jews — the Holocaust, the pogroms, the dehumanization — and project it onto Jews themselves. Claim that Israel is the new Nazi Germany. That the IDF are the new SS. That Gaza is a concentration camp. Twist every historical horror that was inflicted upon us and weaponize it against us. And if anyone objects, call them a Holocaust denier. Call them worse than the Nazis.

We can’t fight what we refuse to confront

That is why I sat in that chair. That is why I brought in Thane Rosenbaum, Eugene Kontorovich, Jonathan Tobin, and Alan Dershowitz. Not to give Finkelstein a platform — he already has one far bigger than mine. I did it because somebody has to hold up the mirror. Somebody has to sit across from these people and say: you’re wrong. Here are the facts. Here is the evidence. Here is the truth.

I posted the full two hours, uncut, unexpurgated — exactly as I promised him I would. Because unlike Finkelstein, I believe in transparency. Watch it. Listen to every word he says. Listen to the experts who respond. And then ask yourself: does this man sound like someone who cares about truth and justice? Or does he sound like someone consumed by hatred — for Israel, for the Jewish people, and ultimately for himself?

You decide.

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Israel Ellis is the author of The Wake Up Call: Global Jihad and the Rise of Antisemitism in a World Gone MAD and host of The Unfiltered View podcast.